Orlando Cabrera, Reds reach deal, report says

[PorterHouse]

Originally Posted by Ali

But, I think if he can hit .265+ and our team can stay relatively healthy that we have as good a possibility as anyone in this division to win it.

I still think he will significantly raise his average sooner than later but .265 with his power isn't too shabby either.

[Alex in the 804]

Originally Posted by PorterHouse

hey don't forget Bruce broke his wrist the first week of July, so cut the man some slack. I bet you he hits close to .300 this year with at least 25 homers and close to 100 ribeyes. the force is strong with this one.







why would you want Rolen's slow ass batting 2nd? you always want the faster guys up front. as clutch as Rolen is why not put some base runners in front of him? and I don't think they brought Cabrera here to bat 8th unless he earns it down the line(that could be said for any player though).

since Votto hits for power with a higher avg. then why not have him behind Phillips? BP was always better hitting 2nd, but with his speed AND his power you want him 3rd. he never liked hitting cleanup and neither did I.

if Gomes comes back and takes LF then I see him somewhere in the 6 or 7 spot. Hernandez makes sense at 8. I think Stubbs is a lock in CF and hitting first. here goes:


1-Stubbs
2-Cabrera(I think the Reds already have him penciled in here)
3-Phillips
4-Votto(should be a no-brainer)
5-Rolen
6-Bruce
7-Gomes
8-Hernandez
9-Pitcher

that's a pretty stacked lineup; hopefully not just stacked with potential. and it still keeps the Lefties separated.

as far as pitching don't forget about Nick Massett in the mix for the #5 spot in the rotation. even though he had success out of the bullpen last year I think they see him more as a potential starter than a long reliever. but I guess if you don't make the rotation, long/middle relief is the next best thing.

Honestly i despise the idea of being completely speed conscious at the top of the order...Rolen gets on base, which is what you want in the two hole. Tevaras showed last year that you can have all the speed in the world but if you don't get on base you are worthless.

I agree that cabrera will be in the 2 hole, but i don't think he is going to put up quality numbers to keep him there. although dusty's old school approach will probably have cabrera there for the duration of the season whether or not he gets on base consistently.

as ali said, rolen is a smart base runner, and i love the idea of having a high obp guy in the 2 hole setting up the boppers in (hopefully) Bruce, Votto, and B-Phil.

But then again i was one who was in love with the idea of hitting dunn near the top of the order. I hope you are right about Cabrera, but as i said looking at the stats at a sabermetrics level, i'll pull up the stats if you want...cabrera is only a marginal improvement at best over janish considering the loss in range.

we'll see how it shakes out and i am not opposed to the signing at all...just skeptical about how d-baker handles it lol.

[Ali]

Originally Posted by Alex in the 804

Honestly i despise the idea of being completely speed conscious at the top of the order...Rolen gets on base, which is what you want in the two hole. Tevaras showed last year that you can have all the speed in the world but if you don't get on base you are worthless.

I agree that cabrera will be in the 2 hole, but i don't think he is going to put up quality numbers to keep him there. although dusty's old school approach will probably have cabrera there for the duration of the season whether or not he gets on base consistently.

as ali said, rolen is a smart base runner, and i love the idea of having a high obp guy in the 2 hole setting up the boppers in (hopefully) Bruce, Votto, and B-Phil.

But then again i was one who was in love with the idea of hitting dunn near the top of the order. I hope you are right about Cabrera, but as i said looking at the stats at a sabermetrics level, i'll pull up the stats if you want...cabrera is only a marginal improvement at best over janish considering the loss in range.

we'll see how it shakes out and i am not opposed to the signing at all...just skeptical about how d-baker handles it lol.

Here was our OBP last year, keep this mind, btw:

Joey Votto .414
Scott Rolen .368
Ramon Hernandez .336
Brandon Phillips .329
Jerry Hairston .305
Jay Bruce .303

That would have made him our 4th best, in comparison, OBP guy last year, but if you remember, he played most of the season for the A's, then went to the Twins, both those parks have large foul territories (Cincy's is about as small as it gets with foul territory) and are known as pitcher friendly parks while ours is more than clearly a hitter friendly park. I understand the problem with defense, but his defense is still above average to good and Janish, like I said earlier, will have to replace him as a defensive substitute late and probably in 15-30 games on the year because Cabrera is 30...Or so I thought. Cabrera is durable, he played in 160 games last year and has played at least 140 games every year since 2001 and at least 100 every year since 1999. Not too shabby at all imo.

[Ali]

Originally Posted by Ali

Here was our OBP last year, keep this mind, btw:

Joey Votto .414
Scott Rolen .368
Ramon Hernandez .336
Brandon Phillips .329
Jerry Hairston .305
Jay Bruce .303

That would have made him our 4th best, in comparison, OBP guy last year, but if you remember, he played most of the season for the A's, then went to the Twins, both those parks have large foul territories (Cincy's is about as small as it gets with foul territory) and are known as pitcher friendly parks while ours is more than clearly a hitter friendly park. I understand the problem with defense, but his defense is still above average to good and Janish, like I said earlier, will have to replace him as a defensive substitute late and probably in 15-30 games on the year because Cabrera is 30...Or so I thought. Cabrera is durable, he played in 160 games last year and has played at least 140 games every year since 2001 and at least 100 every year since 1999. Not too shabby at all imo.

Also forgot to bring up that Votto is our best hitter, so he has to bat 4th, Rolen is a good 2 guy, but he's another clutch guy, same with Hernandez so that means our top 3 guys are the guys you want int he meat of the order. I would love Cabrera to be a 6 or 7 guy, but the problem this team has right now is that we have no true leadoff hitter.

This team is significantly better than the one we fielded last year, if for no other reason that E5 not committing, well...E5's

[Who2Dey]

Originally Posted by Alex in the 804

you realize his obp last year was in the low .300s

I did not until you said that. That being said, he is a contact hitter. He will be able to move them over even if he doesn't get on base. I didn't really watch him last season until he was traded to the Twins, and he was a major boost for them.

Also even though he is older, he can stilll field whatever he can get too. He's a former 2 time gold glover, so he can pick em.

[Ali]

Originally Posted by Who2Dey

I did not until you said that. That being said, he is a contact hitter. He will be able to move them over even if he doesn't get on base. I didn't really watch him last season until he was traded to the Twins, and he was a major boost for them.

Also even though he is older, he can stilll field whatever he can get too. He's a former 2 time gold glover, so he can pick em.

Keep in mind where he played last year...Oakland & Minnesota. Those parks have 2 of the biggest foul territories in the majors...cincy has next to no foul territory. And, liek you said, he's a contact hitter and if I recall correctly likes to foul off pitches when he can. I can easily see him with a .333+ OBP this year, but so long as he hits .280+ and is in the 2 hole, I thin we'll be good.

[Who2Dey]

Originally Posted by Ali

Keep in mind where he played last year...Oakland & Minnesota. Those parks have 2 of the biggest foul territories in the majors...cincy has next to no foul territory. And, liek you said, he's a contact hitter and if I recall correctly likes to foul off pitches when he can. I can easily see him with a .333+ OBP this year, but so long as he hits .280+ and is in the 2 hole, I thin we'll be good.

You're right about the foul territory....that is a pitchers best friend. I'm pumped...love these moves.

[The Entertainer]

By the way, I met the Reds new shortstop yesterday, Orlando Cabrera. He seems like a good guy with a nice sense of humor and sounds like a guy who loves to play the game. He's well aware there are skeptics who believe a 35 year old shortstop is one or two bad plays away from a rocking chair. he laughed about it and said even his mom tells him he is old for a shortstop. But he said his mom and wife stay on him to make sure he works out and eats right in the offseason so he can keep up with all of the young bucks playing the position. He also said he would change his name to Juan Ocho if it helps him fit in with Cincinnati. His good humor and well-natured ways are already a hit in my corner of the world. Now let's see him play.

http://georgevogel.blogspot.com/2010...-and-more.html

[GenocidalX]

Originally Posted by g00tch

None of this will matter in July when the Reds have their annual meltdown.

Why did the thread continue after this? /over

[savagehenry54]

Originally Posted by SNARF

I'll take Orlando.

This is shaping up pretty nice. Here is how I see our batting order.

1.) Drew Stubbs
2.) Orlando Cabrera
3.) Brandon Phillips
4.) Joey Votto
5.) Scott Rolen
6.) Jay Bruce
7.) Left Fielder
8.) Hernandez
9.) Pitcher

We will have Hanigan on the bench for sure, who else. I don't know.

When the fuck did we get Scott Rolen??

Hats off to you guys though, ya'll are some troopers. I'll follow the Reds very loosely til it's obvious they're gonna blow again and then pay them no mind at all. Usually by late May, early June, it's a wrap for me with the Reds. Baseball is broke and I can't stand the heart ache of watching a team suck on a daily basis.

At least if the Bengals suck, it's only once a week and they can play spoiler. In baseball a shitty team can beat the best team in the league and the best team is all "oh noes, we lost one game out of 163.... big whoop, cuz it don't fucken matter".

Can you tell I'm jaded when it comes to baseball?

[PorterHouse]

Originally Posted by savagehenry54

When the fuck did we get Scott Rolen??

Hats off to you guys though, ya'll are some troopers. I'll follow the Reds very loosely til it's obvious they're gonna blow again and then pay them no mind at all. Usually by late May, early June, it's a wrap for me with the Reds. Baseball is broke and I can't stand the heart ache of watching a team suck on a daily basis.

At least if the Bengals suck, it's only once a week and they can play spoiler. In baseball a shitty team can beat the best team in the league and the best team is all "oh noes, we lost one game out of 163.... big whoop, cuz it don't fucken matter".

Can you tell I'm jaded when it comes to baseball?

man you're way out of the loop. we traded Encarnacion and a couple of other guys for Rolen at the end of July last year. come back to the darkside.

[Hibachi_Burrow]

and we only play 162 games you tard lol

[savagehenry54]

Whatever. What's next years rotation looking like, I really have no idea. Cueto and Volquez still in there right? Thought I heard Harang fell off a bit, we still got him? Hard for me to give a shit, cuz I fucking hate MLB. I like the Reds, but it's hard to watch 'em suck balls slightly less than the Pirates every year, that's why I don't follow it closely....It's a broken league.

[Ali]

Originally Posted by savagehenry54

Whatever. What's next years rotation looking like, I really have no idea. Cueto and Volquez still in there right? Thought I heard Harang fell off a bit, we still got him? Hard for me to give a shit, cuz I fucking hate MLB. I like the Reds, but it's hard to watch 'em suck balls slightly less than the Pirates every year, that's why I don't follow it closely....It's a broken league.

Volquez had Tommy John Surgery and is out til mid-July at the earliest (probably closer to August, honestly)

Cueto was dominating til fatigue set in on his arm, this will be his first winter w/o throwing, and should elevate him to dominant status by June, imo.

Homer Bailey was the most dominant pitcher in baseball the last 6-8 weeks of last year, and he's in.

Harang hasn't been the same since 2007...

Arroyo, again, threw the most innings and had the most Quality Starts of all our pitchers (seems like this has been the case since he arrived w/the Reds)

And I'm betting either Chapman (the new guy we got) or Micah Owings (who's our best PH, lol) get the 5th spot of the rotation til Volquez returns.

[PorterHouse]

Originally Posted by savagehenry54

Whatever. What's next years rotation looking like, I really have no idea. Cueto and Volquez still in there right? Thought I heard Harang fell off a bit, we still got him? Hard for me to give a shit, cuz I fucking hate MLB. I like the Reds, but it's hard to watch 'em suck balls slightly less than the Pirates every year, that's why I don't follow it closely....It's a broken league.

hey I know us Cincy fans say "well, next year things will be different, blah blah..." but this seriously is the best team they have had in a long time and the beauty of it is we have some badass youngsters who should be here for a while and will only get better. but I'm still not sold on Baker running the ship.

[savagehenry54]

Harang's run support in 08, at least the beginning when I was paying attention was turrible. I take it he's just stunk since then, I knew he had fallen off but I didn't know to what extent. So is it him, Arroyo, Cueto, Bailey, and then another guy keeping Volquez's spot warm for him going into next year?........Edit: Yea, looks like it...I hope so Porterhouse, that would be great.

[Ali]

Originally Posted by Ferb

See ya in 4th place in August!

You were saying?

[Hibachi_Burrow]

Originally Posted by Ali

You were saying?

marty!

[Ali]

Originally Posted by GenocidalX

Why did the thread continue after this? /over

Originally Posted by g00tch

None of this will matter in July when the Reds have their annual meltdown.

And you call yourselves Reds fans.

[g00tch]

I am a Reds fan and until this year, that post was fact, so eat a dick.
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[Megalicious23]

Originally Posted by Ali

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Originally Posted by g00tch

I am a Reds fan and until this year, that post was fact, so eat a dick.
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[Ali]

Originally Posted by g00tch

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[g00tch]

I've never stopped rooting for the Reds, unlike ONYX, who has publicly stated he only roots for them when they are winning.

[The Entertainer]

Originally Posted by g00tch

I've never stopped rooting for the Reds, unlike ONYX, who has publicly stated he only roots for them when they are winning.

[Ali]

Originally Posted by g00tch

I've never stopped rooting for the Reds, unlike ONYX, who has publicly stated he only roots for them when they are winning.

ONYX doesn't even root for them when they're winning. Of course, ONYX is the biggest bandwagon jumper on these boards second only to STD

[SNARF]

1 month of baseball left and as of today here are the NL Central Standings:

1st: Reds
2nd: Cardinals 5 Games Back.